Does the job but let down by terrible lever feel.
I bought these to replace the OEM BB7s on a new bike, i needed something narrower as my heel was striking the BB7s. I put 2000 miles on them over the course of a British winter.
Its easy enough to set up the master cylinder but i found centering the calipers way too fiddly, the usual trick of loosening the caliper bolts, pulling the lever and tightening doesn't work, Hope have a whole other method that is overly complicated.
Anyway once setup with compressionless cable outer i have to admit I was disappointed with the way the felt at the lever, especially from the hoods (105), quite firm and, well, mushy.
Once the pads had bedded in they power is ok but no better than BB7s (which id used for years on a previous bike). THere is better feel and modulation from the drops where you can get a stronger pull. However, all that pales when you use these in the wet; without doubt the worst squeal i have ever encountered with any disc brake. I tried everything, different pads, copperslip grease etc, nothing worked, the squeal as you pull up to lights in thew wet was just embarrassing.
I have now replaced these with TRP HY/RD and havent looked back, far superior in almost every way to the Hopes. Dont be misled by the Hope name; the V-Twin looks the part but imo is not designed well. Loads of people like them and think they are great. Not me.,
04 October 2015
So I bought this to replace the Avid BB7 cable brakes on my Hybrid. Fitting them is pretty easy - just make sure you watch and follow the video that Hope provide on YouTube. Much easier than trying to understand the paper instructions.
I'm using these with Hope Saw rotors. The V-twin comes with X2 calipers with sintered pads. After three weeks and over 200 miles I still have extremely poor performance.
The clearance between the front caliper and the spokes is about 0.5mm.
Better than the BB7's - the BB7's dragged more but at least I was able to stop quickly. I've bought some other pads now, so we'll see if they are any better. If they are I'll update this page.
27 June 2015
Really a great innovation and product
Not a cheap one, but really gets the job done with flying colors. If you have mechanical disk brakes causing you problems this is the one to go for. The cabling does not freeze during winter rides, great modulation (FAAAR better than BB7:s), easy to install and quiet at least with the Shimano Ice disks I installed. I consider them really close to as good as a fully hydraulic setup.
11 April 2015
this kit turned my whyte cx bike into th bike i hoped it would be, proper stopping power now!
30 December 2014
V-Twin Remote Brake System (X2 Calipers)
I have been using these for the last couple of months now, and to be honest I am a little bit disappointed. They are built like all other Hope products to a very high quality, they are very easy to set up but it is their performance that has let them down. In comparison to cable actuated brakes like Avid BB7 and Shimano BR-CX77 which I have ridden, they don't in my opinion have as much modulation, I don't even think they have anymore power than a pair of well set up cable disc brakes. I don't get the same feedback through the lever, which at times has been disconcerting. I think if you after hydraulic brakes you will be better of waiting for SRAM or Shimano to start releasing fully integrated products.
27 March 2014
Set these up a Genesis Croix de Fer which had Shimano mechanical discs previously. Maybe because of this they were a doodle to fit, I also kept the original 160mm Shimano rotors to keep costs down.
At first I was not that impressed, however this view soon changed, after about 20 miles they really bedded in and I can say now that they are a huge improvement over the mechanical discs.
They work on the hoods and on the drops, and unlike the mechanical disks you can stop the bike without applying huge amounts of brake lever pressure.
They look great too, they are lighter than the previous mechanical discs.
18 February 2014
Well thought out braking system
I brought this for a cx/winter training bike that i wanted to run discs on so I am not wearing rims down. Originally I was put off by the cost of these units and planned to use mechanical, but the limited mechanical options and the recent shimano recall of their CX brakes I conviced myself to spend the extra and try these.
I think its a clever system which appers to have the usual hope build quality.The set up is easy if you follow the excellent hope youtube video (thanks hope), and I had no problems with brake cable bend, in fact I think it looks neat.
So far - approx 150mls - performance is great. Not as good as full hydraulics, I doubt a 25-35mm tyre could handle that anyway, but braking is so smooth and does not fade, plus with the benefit of not needing to adjust the dump floating pad and clean brake cables.
So if you can afford it why would you not buy it??
05 November 2013
Good brakes, poor cable routing
While the V-style engine block appearance of the master cylinder looks neat and fits well under the stem, the cable routing from aero-style brake levers (cables under the tape) is poorly designed. There appears to be no good way to route the brake cables into the master cylinder.
Options I've seen include using segmented housing (wears out the liner very fast, this is what the promotional photos show), using an extra loop of housing that hangs in the air (sort of like barend shifters), and classic non-aero brake levers (these preclude the use of integrated shifters).
After trying the more modern alternatives, I have settled on non-aero levers and barend shifters, which function quite well and have adequate (if retro-looking) cable routing.
Once the cable routing issues are sorted the system functions very well. Modulation is excellent and Hope calipers and rotors are never a disappointment.
12 April 2013
good but flawed
Built into a Van Nicholas Amazon for all year riding & touring. I will say this is really well made & will last a long time with spares fully available. However I also ordered the floating hope discs & found the rivets on the discs catch the underside of the caliper body, fixed with extra washers to lift the caliper, a bit heath robinson.... I had avid bb7's previously & was hoping for a much easier & lighter brake feel, almost like you get on any flat barred hydraulic set up like a mountain bike, however you still need a really hard pull to get them to work & then the cable attachment point slips, irrelevant of how tight they were..leaving the lever loose....not good.. I have tried the sintered pads supplied, but they only work well when hot & I've tried organic pads too which were better from cold....So the good points, modulation ie the more you pull the brakes on, the stronger they get., but you can only really get this from riding on the drops & not the hoods...they look fab & back up is next to none, but the trick missed is making the lever feel light & strong, I've spent £300 to get modulation, but initial brake feel is no better than say koolstop salmon pads on caliper brakes. When fitting, they are difficult to get a good cable run to them without many bends, as the cable has to enter the master unit from the front, whereas the U.S.E. ones look much easier to fit....but I now have hydraulics. Overall 2 out of 5, & i'm waiting for shimano to create 105/ultegra drop levers with hydraulics built in, so that the cable component is removed.
10 April 2012
Wait and see
I will post a new review once I've used these for a while, but this is first impressions after fitting and a bedding in ride.
The total weight is 410g (inc hoses), and I removed a front cable disc weighing 180g and a rear canti weighing 160g, by the time you include cables and the canti bosses I'm going to remove the only extra weight is really the discs themselves.
Fitting is hard work. I had to remove my chicken levers to get the cable to route into the remote reservoir, and even then the cable bend is really tight. I might try Nokon cables, or even re-positioning the V-twin and making my own bracket to smooth the cable and hydraulic hose runs. The positioning of the cable inlets and hose outlets was not well thought out in my opinion.
First impression is poor - the levers feel really draggy - there is a lot of friction in the remote reservoir. However once you've got the pads touhcing the disc things improve. Good modulation as expected. Cable discs are different., the pads slam against the disc with almost no effort, but then when you heave hard on the lever you get loads of cable stretch, These seem the opposite - very disappointing at first, then lots of power and modulation as you squeeze the levers. But not at all as good as a full hydraulic system.
The caliper are lovely and tiny. Compared to the cable disc caliper which sticks out a mile they are very low profile so you can still - with a little bit a bending - get both full mudguards and a rack on the bike. No chance with cable disc calipers.
In summary - messy to fit, messy to look at, and no where near as good as the full hydraulics on your MTB, but much easier to harmonise with mudguards and racks, self adjusting and hopefully in the long term I will be able to report about good power.
24 March 2012
I can hear the angels sing everytime I brake.
Having been scoffed at by the bicycle shop 3 years ago when I bought a road (Shimano 105 road ie:drop handlebars) specific titanium frame with a disc brake mounting saying "I'm getting this frame because I believe 1 day someone will develop hydraulic disc brakes".
It gives me great pleasure to say after slinging away my cantilever brakes 2 years ago for a rim brake calliper on the front and a vee brake with a problem solvers travel agent on the back.....
The back brake was then changed to an Avid BB7 in June last year, which was acceptable but the brake cable (the BB7 didn't come with a barrel adjuster as standard which I added) still needed retensioning every few days and the pads needed moving in, not ideal on the cold dark winter commutes when all uo want to do is sling the bike in the shed and go and get a brew......
I installed my v- twin with its callipers today (with a new carbon disc specific fork and a supernova infinity 8 dynamo hub) and took her for a spin in the dark (testing out my new super nova E3 tripple dynamo light) took her down a 14% and even in the braking in process for the new pads the stopping power is unvbelievable, just as good as my Shimano XTR hydraulic disc brakes on my trekking bicycle.
The only issues I have is the V-twin: It doesn't come with discs (which is pictured) or IS mounts, so you will need to get those.
Also it comes with hydraulic hoses cut to a specific length and reservoirs filled, which is a good thing on the initial set up, but I'm finding the rear hose is a bit long, so that will have to be sorted at a later date. The Callipers are also slightly more difficult to set up than the BB7.
Positives other than the fact that its amazing: It has barrel adjusters for any cable strech from your levers to the reservoir (which will be minimal) and its a British company.
I can't wait to test the Bicycle out in the rain and be able to brake with confidence on a loaded touring bike. Happy days. Smack It! BOSH!
28 February 2012
Rotors are needed, remember to buy the V2 versions of the rotors as the original versions need the caliper spaced up to stop the caliper body catching the floating rivets that hold the braking surface onto the spider/central (coloured) section
You need to buy the discs separately, also get your local shop to check the angle of where the caliper mounts on your frame & forks, THIS is important for initial "bite" & feel. the calipers MUST be square to the disc, otherwise initial brake feel is poor. Remember that they still don't feel as good as full hydraulics, like on mountain bikes, but in winter they are strong in the wet...go for at least a 183mm front disc on this set up. The older range of shimano levers work better eg, 105 series 5600 & ultegra 6600, this is because these "pull" less cable than the current range = easier lever pressure, otherwise your hand muscles tire quickly. enjoy